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The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by Destry » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:47 am

These documents have been tore apart and flaws exposed in detail.

Lets hope nobody goes to jail that has done Anna's status correction!

thanks for endangering the people Mrs. Belcher!
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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents (questions) Disclosed In Detail! (not answers)

Post by lennard » Fri Mar 22, 2019 5:50 am

I am thoroughly disgusted with this BS post! Is it completely mis leading to any actual facts and every so-called-answer bears a very strong resemblance to the opinions of several childish MJA members again using their own site to bash another freedom fighter to our cause. I viewed your so called details to find you asking us more questions as a diversion to your obvious lack of answers! Much of what you question has already been answered by the same group making these documents. There are instructions to all of your questions within the available archive! I am appalled at the degree to which you slink to produce this mis-informative garbage.
The MJA was seen as a hero corner for our cause to be free from the deceit of the corporate world. Instead you ask us to follow you blindly as you fling mud to those you choose?!! Your continued acts of lazy a$$ research, your own questions-instead-of-answers slathered in presumed statute standards merely shows everyone with eyes to read the lack of truth you offer. YES! offer us truth!!!
None of us wanted to be on a side within what we all seen as our own camp! The actions provided by the MJA lean toward "fear-mongering" instead of answering. Is this what you got for us! more shut up and follow! Cause I will tell you NO, NOT TODAY and NEVER AGAIN!
Alas, we all seek leadership in this man-made turmoil.
I still consider MJA a terrific source of information to the problem we all face. BUT MJA what do you offer to help your members who are under attack from the fraud of this world??????????? The only advise I have heard is "don't poke the bear". Which only affirms your lack of commitment to the actual cause, your "Bunker hole" strategy of fence sitting gets NO ONE anywhere!
I believe We the People want out of all the lies and deceit! This is a simple request with a seriously complicated answer! MJA's strategy to lay low and wait for the tipping point is a good strategy for non-productive societies. I feel bad for any MJA member who discounts the works of others in this cause....you choose to bag on a feisty old lady and the help she offers to the people, all of the people!
MJA, what about the previous trail blazers in this cause? You seem to be fighting with the only one offering a "way to claim" what was rightfully ours to begin with..... seems like we are all trying to get to the same place. Heck you even made mention of a process you used to protect yourself, yet you sell it privately through this site...through your members...hmmm, goose..gander which are you?
I would request that any post claiming DETAIL...should actually have some detail...you know...reference data, yes the same data you complained about NOT receiving when you asked, here I am asking you! Honestly now, because you don't know what it is.... does not make it bad or wrong...it just makes you look ignorant. [ignorant = LACK of knowledge]
And secondly, I would request that each and every member fulfill their role as a professional! Allowing a member to act outside their own authority I find small and petty...so yeah currently I find the MJA very very small and extremely petty.

I really can't wait for you to grow up and be the adults you think you are....until then sit down and be quiet, the adults are talking.

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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by Destry » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:16 pm

Interesting tyraid. Who is MJA? Applying some imagination and intelligence I assume you are talking about the MGJA. If not, then ignore the following context.

Are you wanting to see the MGJA to come out of interim status right now and not have any other states assemblies to stand side by side the MGJA? You want to see the MGJA solely call all the shots? Is that what you are saying as complaining about fence sitting? You do not want your state assembly to have an equal say so? Do you seek a position to cry and complain what Michigan does once out of interim because no other states are able to participate due to not having their assemblies cured?

The declaration of Michigan being a De Jure state was done and internationally noticed and unrebutted years ago! Do you comprehend what that means? Who else can claim that? Certainly not some granny from the north that appears to have more unverifiable knowledge than scores of historians!

You should pay more attention to what those of us from the MGJA say and do! Never once has anyone from the MGJA told anyone they must do anything. All material and procedures are recommendations only. Each state is unique and sovereign from the others. A blueprint of something proven successful has been gifted to the other states to utilize if they so choose to do. Can you wrap your mind around that? I fail to understand the intent of your arguments as this is strictly voluntary. We are here to answer questions about the handbook and offer suggestions. Nothing more.

The MGJA membership is actually considering pulling the plug on the National Assembly and withdrawing from assisting others. If You all think you know what to do and can do it better.. Then have at it. We finished ours. The info is out there. Follow unrebutted proven facts or follow someone else's ideas. Your choice! Good luck. :lol:

Ps. If this gets pulled, it would save me the $139 per month I pay out of my pocket on this server!
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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by Destry » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:17 pm

By the way. Look into the laws of notarizing a fiction :o

And speaking about growing up... looks like that is widely needed... :lol:
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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by lennard » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:14 pm

I stand by my thoughts, typos and all.
In my opinion!
I do not wish to comprehend statutes this is not the world we people want to propagate.
I can agree that you are better equipped to whine than I am. A mechanic with a law degree? My opinion!
I can also agree that "pulling the plug" could be an easy out for you. Your financial savings in the matter would be merely a speck to the financial savings of those who don't know you at all. My opinion!
Thank you for NOT ANSWERING my concerns and again merely whining about a mole hill until it is a mountain.
People want more Truth than opinion....but this is only my opinion.

my last potential mole hill....
How do all of your efforts help us now? Right now, today?

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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by Destry » Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:47 am

Efforts are only successful if someone wants to benefit from them. Otherwise they just sit idle. Like I said, all is strictly voluntary. Can you comprehend that?

My volunteer duty here is to explain the whys and howcomes pertaining to the handbook and how things are done within the MGJA. If you want to know, I will answer. If you want to follow a 10 year old unrebutted successful blueprint then you are at the right place. If you want to do something different and unproven then you are at the wrong place. We can lead a horse to water, but the horse must choose on it's own to drink. States are sovereign and do what they want. Period.

Law degree? Nahh... I just understand the mechanics of the world. Read a few law dictionaries and a few court cases in my time. Pay attention to everything. Vast amount of common sense mixed with a potent imagination coupled with a good memory and lots of experience can go a long way. A doctor, A vet, A unitized auto body tech, a diesel mechanic, a structural engineer, a welder fabricator, an electronics repairman, all are mechanics. Done them myself. just on different platforms. Doesn't matter if it is an oscillator, , a processor, a heart, or an oil pump. If they fail, the unit is dead. A mechanic fixes problems.

I did answer your questions. As for your potential mole hill.. What will help you now, right now, today is to get at least 13 together in a county and do your settlement! Follow the handbook and 10 steps or use some other way at your own risk. However you do it I do not care, just get it done!

Others tell me that Ya just can't fix stupid.. as a mechanic, I have to agree! :lol:

But at least I can get my post count up! :lol:
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Re: The Problems With Status Change Documents Disclosed In Detail!

Post by lennard » Tue Mar 26, 2019 1:51 pm

So kiddo if I can hear you right....you have done all you need to do, now it is up to us to make this thing happen. You are offering nothing more than a place for only US citizens to gather. hmmm thought that was called a Society?

I do so truly enjoy your "potent imagination" but the constant belittlement we could all do without, I also appreciate how much you like yourself, someone should. Post count? ahhhhh, you must need that to offer the "appearance" of acceptance!

Thank you for being so truly vague and such a good dancer to side step any concerns of any applicable value. You know concerns we all have.

I am going way with this....We ALL are free to NOT choose you or your group. Voluntary choice....just like my voluntary questions, hmmmm

All of this turmoil that I believe the MGJA members have brought to us, could have been dismissed with something like "That is not what we are about, we are here to assemble our own government." I really wish that was considered but its way too late now Mr. Destroy.

I thank you for this eye opening thread, a peek into your group shows darkness, a peek into you shows....what ever you are? trained? Good Luck with your psyop, it seems to have plenty of mis-guided momentum. You know something I hate about the court system....its really all about the best story teller winning, its never about being fair. My silly opinion though...but you are a good teller of tales. Go you!

I feel sad that you Mr. Destroy (no typos) are the most influential member within this group and yet your views are extremely negative to the actual cause. You cherry pick your answers even with all of your admitted experience knowledge and general greatness you bestow on your self. You could help so many more....but that must be your voluntary choice, correct.
But hey...I FORGIVE YOU! Once again....I FORGIVE YOU, and lastly I FORGIVE YOU. three times to satisfy corporate rules right?

I thank you for all that I have learned with your group. But this horse is having a very hard time choking down your sour (negative) red whit and blue Kool-Aid.

Let me take this moment to formally ask that I be removed from this group, I thank you for allowing me to express my concerns but I find this group more than slightly out of touch with the living people of this world and what they have to deal with on a daily basis. Thank you for expressing your own limitations to any actual or beneficial remedy We the People need in these trying times, like today. I wish you the best of luck in "pulling the plug on the whole thing" it truly feels needed.

God bless the People with eyes to see and ears to hear.

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Post by Destry » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:58 pm

U S Citizen? Have you actually read the requirements in their Title 18 U.S.C. section 911? None of us have done or met those requirements to become a U.S. Citizen. I call your claims and you a pipe dream! Unless you can show evidence of any one of us being a U.S. Citizen, I will remain convinced you are a provocateur unless you can produce evidence that I or anyone else has conformed to Title 18 U.S.C. section 911.

Here is the info!
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/911

18 U.S. Code § 911. Citizen of the United States

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Whoever falsely and willfully represents himself to be a citizen of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 742; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
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Post by lennard » Thu Mar 28, 2019 1:13 am

Let me take this moment AGAIN! to formally ask that I be removed from this group, I thank you for allowing me to express my concerns but I find this group more than extremely out of touch with the living people of this world and what they have to deal with on a daily basis. Thank you for expressing your own limitations to any actual or beneficial remedy We the People need in these trying times, like today. I wish you the best of luck in "pulling the plug on the whole thing" it truly feels needed. I like many here will seek answers elsewhere.

God bless the People with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Learn to swim to land or drown in the deceit. Thank for everything kid.

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Post by lennard » Thu Mar 28, 2019 10:50 am

Provocateur you say, you accuse me of trying to change or coerce you into doing something illegal and violent???. hmmm interesting point of delusion view even for you. I do so enjoy your banter, I wish is was more productive....you know..as if you actually fixed something...like your post. They always say "the mechanic would have the worst running car because they spent all their time repairing everyone else's cars." Yet you come off all shiny and new??

Look Oh childish one, I asked you to clarify your opinion into fact in regards to Anna's documents that you so openly posted and attacked with your delusional and obvious statute based opinions backed by your admitted lack of knowledge. Please, go back and look at your comments little boy.

Now, as expected, you cry a different tune so much so to re-direct the purpose of the thread? Can you say hypocrite? its a big word kiddo. You know like COMPREHEND.

Without further explanation or evidence backing your (YES, YOU STARTED ALL OF THIS) overly opinionated initial claims.....I will consider you to being a small mind, entitled, whiny, arrogant, snot nosed brat that merely enjoys the fan fair drama you create for post numbers???? you are one pathetic little kid. BUT Don't fret my child, there is still hope for you at the State of State level, remember, a corporation chartered by the state of we the people, not by we the person?

Please note Mr. Destroy, I have asked to be removed from this group twice now, my back hurts like the dickens having to stoop down to your level to get a point across...........so now, if you can still hear me from way up here......Goodbye, Hey Hey Hey Goodbye

LEARN TO SWIM TO LAND OR DROWN IN THIS DECEIT PEOPLE.....not persons thank you
May God Bless those with eyes to see and ears to hear the truth that this group is NOT the only one offering leadership. Its all VOLUNTARY!
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Post by Destry » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:32 pm

It's only a matter of time. Truth always prevails. I will predict that what Mrs. Belcher aka AVR is doing will crash and burn. It may take many months or it may not. You can hold me to this prediction. This is not the first time I have experienced a coup like this. History repeats itself. There are many facts that Mrs Belcher aka AVR followers have missed and will become self evident.

I will refrain from giving the "I told you so!" Speach when it happens and many return to the National Assembly. We will simply move forward and finish.
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Post by Destry » Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:21 am

If many of you reading this are wondering, Leonard is a provocateur and I have grown tired of his blathering. I just banned him. He said to delete him anyways.
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Post by myamerica » Thu May 30, 2019 2:52 pm

Hi Destry!
I've reviewed the four documents by AVR. I am totally on board with the fact that we were born on the land and are sovereign. AVR is saying that since we have been fraudulently kidnapped (so to speak) into a system- in order to get out of that system, we have to follow the rules of that system...(which truly does not make sense). But, what are you pointing out in those documents that would be "wrong" in general??? If the premise one is standing on is that one acknowledges that they were kidnapped into the system and they are willing to follow the system's rules to get out....so be it. ? They are choosing to go the hard way. As compared to the fact that we ARE flesh and blood, born on the soil and have always been sovereign. Someone has lied and committed fraud against us. We have realized the fraud and we simply need to re-establish our rightful government and "reclaim" our sovereignty through self governance... Isn't this it in a nut shell? Once the Dejure government is reestablished, the defacto goes away along with all the "issues" and unlawful statues, detainments, fines, taxes, licenses, etc...? Am I understanding this correctly? Is it this simple? Let's get this Dejure thing going! :) Thanks for your commitment to help us!

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Post by Destry » Thu May 30, 2019 8:47 pm

myamerica wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 2:52 pm
Hi Destry!
I've reviewed the four documents by AVR. I am totally on board with the fact that we were born on the land and are sovereign. AVR is saying that since we have been fraudulently kidnapped (so to speak) into a system- in order to get out of that system, we have to follow the rules of that system...(which truly does not make sense). But, what are you pointing out in those documents that would be "wrong" in general??? If the premise one is standing on is that one acknowledges that they were kidnapped into the system and they are willing to follow the system's rules to get out....so be it. ? They are choosing to go the hard way. As compared to the fact that we ARE flesh and blood, born on the soil and have always been sovereign. Someone has lied and committed fraud against us. We have realized the fraud and we simply need to re-establish our rightful government and "reclaim" our sovereignty through self governance... Isn't this it in a nut shell? Once the Dejure government is reestablished, the defacto goes away along with all the "issues" and unlawful statues, detainments, fines, taxes, licenses, etc...? Am I understanding this correctly? Is it this simple? Let's get this Dejure thing going! :) Thanks for your commitment to help us!
You are correct. When the de facto goes away, then all their baggage goes away with them. As for the Anna documents, if you download them from the top post and open them up, you will see the notes to the right side pointing out the issues. Also if a Notary notarizes a fiction, then the Notary can go to prison. Anna's documents are set up in a manner where the fiction is being notarized.

The thing that really has me tensed up is that Anna published it in her own words that she is an agent of the Vatican. The way she attacks anyone that does not blindly follow her is self evident. The lies she publishes about me not being an American state national is an attack on me and our sovereignty. She knows I have my Act of State which is far superior to her intentionally flawed paperwork. I say intentionally because she has been made aware of the problems and has done nothing to correct them. The poor souls who follow her honeyd words have no idea who and what she is. They are blind to her earlier admissions. In a way, that is OK as we need stronger and smarter people to be in the De Jure. People capable of critical thinking and self governing.

Yes it is that simple. Hard part is finding intelligent people to grab it and run with it. Each state is unique and sovereign. Only the states can figure out what they need to do and how to do it. I cannot, and nobody else can for all 50 states. We can only teach the principals and the people must apply the principals to their own state's history. This is why all prior groups have failed and Anna's followers will fail too. No single procedure will work for all the states. Egos get in the way too.
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Post by Linda » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:07 am

It is that simple. But being self-governing &forming assemblies seems to be the hard part. My short studies have shown me De Jure and De Facto exist side by side and have for a long time (maybe thousands of years). I"m almost certain that is why 38A says de facto steps down when de jure exists.

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Post by myamerica » Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:15 pm

So....what's up with Jeff (Nesara news)? He has now totally bashed MGJA. ???? This is all getting "icky"!!! Can't wait for our next "live" meeting. So much to learn / understand.... Really need to be praying and seeking God for wisdom, understanding and discernment. Seems we keep taking blows. Hopefully that means we are on the right track. :) All in God's time, right?!! Blessings to you both. Thanks for responding!

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